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BEFORE YOU READ THIS!!! I am only editing this from my original response on Tumblr to add this bit in and put the link to that response at the very bottom. Other than that, this should be the response verbatim. The quotes that I used to refute brozor’s claims are directly from the manifesto that Elliot Rodger wrote. They include some very violent imagery. If you are triggered easily by, well, just about anything, then you might want to avoid this post. brozor: I wouldn’t be so fucking angry at tumblr’s response to the recent shooting if: the killer was of sound mind and wasn’t diagnosed with aspergers the killer outright said he actually hated women and talked about them in a negative, personal way the killer didn’t outright call men oafish assholes who he thought didn’t deserve the companionship he wanted the victims were all females  angry feminists would stop for 5 minutes and watch his entire video themselves so they actually know what they’re complaining about before they start pinning the entire thing on “the patriarchy” and “male entitlement”  About your points: Having a diagnosis (according to the family lawyer) as having a case of high-functioning Asperger’s does not mean that he wasn’t of “sound mind”. While I know from watching the video, trying to watch some of his other videos, and reading part of his manifesto that he wasn’t what most would consider “normal”, I also wouldn’t attribute his behavior and his attitudes to an ASD. Does your lack of negative, personal feelings towards women include (pages 5 & 6 of his manifesto): I was happy, and completely oblivious of the fact that my future on this world would only turn to darkness and misery because of girls. This girl who was my friend, Maddy Humpreys, would eventually come to represent everything I hate and despise; everything that is against me, and everything that I’m against. I was playing innocently with this girl, in the manner that all children play. We even took baths together; it was the only time in my life that I would see a girl my age naked. When I think about the experiences I had during my friendship with her, it makes me think ominously of the fact that all children, boys and girls, start out the same. We all start out innocent, and we all start outtogether. Only through the experiences and circumstances of growing up do we drift apart, form allegiances, and face each other as enemies. That is when wars happen, and that is when the true nature of humanity rises to the surface. At this stage of my life, of course, my war hadn’t started yet, and it wouldn’t start for a long time. I was enjoying my life without a care in the world, not knowing that all of my joy is destined to turn to dust. Or this (page 41): The only time I did care was when a group of popular Seventh Grade girls started teasing me, which hurt a lot. One of these girls was Monette Moio, a pretty blonde girl who was Ashton’s younger sister. She must have thought I was an ultimate loser. I hated her so much, and I will never forget her. I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering. Or this (page 48): One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. This is how girls are, and I was starting to realize it. This was what truly opened my eyes to how brutal the world is. The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. It is sick, twisted, and wrong in every way. I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this. Or this (page 50): My fear of girls made me keep my distance from Pollina. She was a total bitch anyway, and her attitude would only get worse. She is a true representative of everything I hate about women. Or this (page 57): I formed an ideology in my head of how the world should work. I was fueled both by my desire to destroy all of the injustices of the world, and to exact revenge on everyone I envy and hate. I decided that my destiny in life is to rise to power so I can impose my ideology on the world and set everything right. Or this (page 103): There were some actors and celebrities on the carpet with us, and the paparazzi yelled at me a few times to get out of the way as they were taking pictures of some cunt actress. I discreetly gave those paparazzi pigs my middle finger. Elliot Rodger will not move aside for a stupid, good-for-nothing, over-glorified actress, whoever the fuck she was. Or this (pages 117 & 118): I hated all of those obnoxious, boisterous men who were able to enjoy pleasurable sex lives with beautiful girls, but I hated the girl’s even more, because they were the ones who chose those men instead of me. It was their choice. They are the ones who deprived me of love and sex.My hatred and rage towards all women festered inside me like a plague. Their very existence is the cause of all of my torture, pain and suffering throughout my life. My life turned into a living hell after I started desiring them when I hit puberty. I desire them intensely, but I could never have them. I could never have the experience of holding hands with a beautiful girl and walking on a […]

Elliot Rodger: Brozor’s Post – My Response

What can you say about Elliot Rodger? It’s a more difficult question than you would think. Was he a misogynist? Obviously. Was he mentally unstable? Probably. Does his mental state play a bigger role in this than the misogynistic beliefs that he held? That’s where things get sketchy. Before the shooting, his family probably actually knew he was in dire need of some kind of mental health intervention because his behavior was seriously messed up. It doesn’t matter whether you watch his video on retribution or just the one where he’s on a tirade because a couple sat down on a bench at the beach and kissed. There is something unnerving about his thoughts and beliefs. That could be attributed to being mentally ill, but mental illness does not generally cause a person to become violent. It certainly does not cause them to exact revenge on their “enemies” for perceived wrongs. I am a major believer in the idea that many people who have been arrested have some level of mental illness or mental instability.1 That doesn’t mean that I excuse them of what they’ve done. It just means that I want their issues to be recognized and treated in the way that can make them a more stable and more secure member of society. The problem in this case is that Rodger was a narcissist. Let’s be honest. He wasn’t just a sociopath. He didn’t just lack remorse for the bad things that were going to happen. He wanted to hurt people; he wanted to respond with anger and violence toward other human beings because he believed they were responsible for his suffering. These are things commonly associated with narcissism. And the only way to fix a narcissist’s thought patterns is for them to realize that they are the ones who are actually at fault. He wasn’t there. He probably wasn’t going to get there. His case is an extreme example of someone who was probably never going to get better. And that isn’t unusual with personality disorders. There is a reason that they are defined as being maladaptive. One has to be willing to work very hard to overcome them. His way of overcoming them was to plan and partly2 carry out the mass murder of other individuals–strangers and people who he knew quite well. That’s not exactly a sign that better therapy and drugs would help him, so bringing up the idea of mental health care as a way to dismiss other root causes for his violence does more harm than good. One of those very important things was the hatred that he had for women. This was not some annoyance or some mild distaste. This was full-on hatred. Women owed him respect. Women owed him dates. Women owed him adoration. Women owed him sex. Anyone who disagreed was wrong. Anyone who disagreed deserved to be taught a lesson. Anyone who disagreed deserved to die. This is the logic that you see in hate crimes. And this event was exactly that: a hate crime. He felt fully justified in going around and killing as many people as possible because he was ashamed to be a virgin at 22. And some people have attempted to justify his actions, telling women that this is why they should say yes. That it is okay for a person to want to kill them because they reject them. It’s kind of like how some of these same people try to justify when a woman is raped. And if you call them out on this shittiness, then they try to turn to a different topic: men being raped3 / men not getting custody4 / how women are too powerful in the world. Really? How fucking powerful do they really think that women are in this world if rape or murder is the response to telling a man no? If a person is okay with harming a woman because she does the horrible thing of saying no to them, then the cool-with-rape-person obviously doesn’t view that woman as being very important or powerful or worthy of any level of respect. Dear people who think this way: You are not owed respect, dates, adoration, or sex because of your gender or because of the other person’s gender. You’re actually not owed anything. Women do not have to fuck you just because you have a dick. They do not have to fuck you because you happen to be horny. They do not have to fuck you because you feel shitty about yourself. They do not have to fuck you simply because you exist or because you wish they didn’t. How do people end up thinking this way? It isn’t just wackadoodles on pick-up artist websites and mass murderers who frequent those sites. It’s something women encounter on a day to day basis. Thus the whole #YesAllWomen hashtag5 that has trended on Twitter. When it takes less than a day to have hundreds of thousands of tweets across the world talk about living in fear or being sexually violated or being beaten by someone they should have been able to feel safe with, there is a problem. No, not all guys are like that, and most women will point out that they know this. The problem is that no woman can tell just by looking at a guy or just by spending time with him that she will be safe. Dating, sex, and even friendship with guys are things that are potential threats to a woman’s life. And when bad shit happens, it is usually not just a case of a woman being victimized by one person. Women regularly encounter individuals in law enforcement, people they go to school or church with, people they work with, family members, and other friends who are dismissive of what has occurred. Somehow a message has gotten out that on some level any woman who encounters misogyny is actually to blame for encountering it. Something she did caused it. If she […]

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